Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0 |
Ladies and Gentlemen, The military has a axiom that you should never reinforce defeats. Looking back at my participation in the BOINC world I can only conclude that I have been doing just that. So, it is time to cease. I had thought to explain the motivations that have brought me to this point but have decided that for the most part it would just be another wasted effort. Those that need to heed the words will see no need. And those that agree with them have no power. So, not much point in long explanations. But, in short, I find I can no longer be a part of a system such as I see today. Dissent is suppressed, good ideas are ignored or marginalized, valuable work is discarded, participants are abused; all this, and more. It is said that for evil to triumph, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing. For a long time I have tried to combat the problems I have seen with virtually no success. In that nothing else I have tried has been effective I have but one last option and that is to cease supporting activities run by people I can no long trust. With this in mind I have run all my computers out of work, removed BOINC and shut down the machines. However, I will be funding the BOINC Wiki site until the end of the quarter, 2006-03-31, at which point the site will vanish and the domain will become available. For those that contributed, and those that used the Wiki, I am truly grateful. If anyone wishes to preserve the Unofficial BOINC Wiki, I have a number of files that may be of interest: http://boinc-doc.net/sites.zip My working files of the old site and the Wiki including the code development for the Google search (263M) {not really necessary, unless you like history}. http://boinc-doc.net/log-files.zip the log file samples for adding messages along with my GREP tool (33.5M). http://boinc-doc.net/misc.zip Just what it says... all the other stuff includes samples and snippets of material I had not gotten to yet (13.1M). http://boinc-doc.net/BoincViewLogs.zip For those that might be interested in a data-set for analysis (5.8M). http://boinc-doc.net/images.zip The images directory of the Wiki site with the image files needed (37M). http://boinc-doc.net/db118605226.csv.zip Wiki database in a CSV dump (7.2M). http://boinc-doc.net/db118605226.sql.zip WIki database in a SQL Insert dump (8M). The explanation on how I implemented the Google search is here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Search Paul |
Los Alcoholicos~La Muis Send message Joined: 4 Nov 05 Posts: 34 Credit: 1,041,724 RAC: 0 |
I knew I didn't like the militairy... but you're a wise man, so I suppose you've made a right decision. Thanks for all your effort and help Paul. |
Nothing But Idle Time Send message Joined: 28 Sep 05 Posts: 209 Credit: 139,545 RAC: 0 |
I'm personally very disappointed that we are not only losing a valuable resource in the WIKI but that we are losing you also. I'm even more disappointed in you, Paul, after all these months of extolling the virtues of contributing to DC and to science only to quit like this because you are disillusioned with a few hot heads in the DC community? They upset you because they came to Rosetta/BOINC from other projects and wanted to revamp everything to suit themselves. You chided them for acting like children who, if not getting their own way, would take their toys and go home. Well, what are you doing? I'm sure there is more to this than I can understand, but if you get disillusioned and quit so easily then what are the rest of us to think? Please continue the WIKI (we need it) and support the science which is all that matters in the end. Your health is important but you can remain active in DC without embroiling yourself in the message boards which seem to upset you so much. IMO. And the project teams will do whatever they want also. You have tried to influence them in ways that you felt were beneficial and apparently you are not satisfied with their response or lack of one. At least that's how I feel, but I have chosen to leave my CPU running 24/7 since I had no expectations beyond this when I joined anyway. |
Scribe Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 284 Credit: 157,359 RAC: 0 |
....and YOU, idle one, can stop trying to push the blame onto others, coming from DC projects that had been running longer than either Rosetta or BOINC and making suggestions as to how these NEW projects could benefit from the vast experience of others and gain and hold new members....... |
Astro Send message Joined: 2 Oct 05 Posts: 987 Credit: 500,253 RAC: 0 |
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Dimitris Hatzopoulos Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 336 Credit: 80,939 RAC: 0 |
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Nothing But Idle Time Send message Joined: 28 Sep 05 Posts: 209 Credit: 139,545 RAC: 0 |
....and YOU, idle one, can stop trying to push the blame onto others, coming from DC projects that had been running longer than either Rosetta or BOINC and making suggestions as to how these NEW projects could benefit from the vast experience of others and gain and hold new members....... Your verbiage and intonality is revealing. This is another case of being attacked for having an opinion. I did not criticize any migrants to Rosetta for wanting to change things nor critique the virtues of it. But the influx of people and what follwed thereafter on the msg boards did seem to contribute to Paul's decision to move on. I merely am asking him to look beyond those times and continue his contributions to science. I respect you Scribe for your own contributions to this project and the msg boards, but please try and give other people some breathing room. |
Scribe Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 284 Credit: 157,359 RAC: 0 |
I appologise Oh Idle One, I mis-read your post.... |
Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0 |
I'm even more disappointed in you, Paul, after all these months of extolling the virtues of contributing to DC and to science only to quit like this because you are disillusioned with a few hot heads in the DC community? They upset you because they came to Rosetta/BOINC from other projects and wanted to revamp everything to suit themselves. You chided them for acting like children who, if not getting their own way, would take their toys and go home. Well, what are you doing? I'm sure there is more to this than I can understand, but if you get disillusioned and quit so easily then what are the rest of us to think? So easily? I have been fighting for two years for improvements for the participants to no avail. Not just on the message boards, but on the mailing lists, private e-mails, etc. If I had "picked up my toys" you would not have had the migration of the content. I could have just shut down the site and let it go at that. And I could have done it with no warning. So, think of me as you will... but, before you condemn a person, walk a mile in his moccosins ... And the discussions and desires of the participants who came here are not what prompted this ... if they had, I would have said that ... |
Dimitris Hatzopoulos Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 336 Credit: 80,939 RAC: 0 |
I understand that Paul is unhappy about the development of the *BOINC* software, he's not referring to Rosetta or the participants of these boards (nor any other science project that is using the BOINC sw). I guess he's using this public channel to let everyone know, because many projects and individual pages/forums etc are linking to his BOINC-Wiki. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Best UFO Resources Wikipedia R@h How-To: Join Distributed Computing projects that benefit humanity |
CJSoft UK Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 2 Credit: 3,510 RAC: 0 |
To all: THE BOINC WIKI WILL CONTINUE! BOINC WIKI With negotiation between Rytis and I underway, we will bring you the BOINC WIKI, as long as we can sustain it. In Paul's absence, I will endeavour to keep it running to keep the dream of all BONC Documentation together. To Paul: Such a shame to see you go from this wonderful community, you will be missed. Chris |
rbpeake Send message Joined: 25 Sep 05 Posts: 168 Credit: 247,828 RAC: 0 |
I have been fighting for two years for improvements for the participants to no avail. Not just on the message boards, but on the mailing lists, private e-mails, etc. Pardon my butting in, however, it seems a shame that the science projects are to suffer because of the BOINC brush they are painted with, through no fault of their own to the best of my knowledge... Perhaps you would consider continuing on with the science applications under a different name ID....? Just a thought, I certainly know how frustrating it is to have to bang one's head against the wall.... :) Regards, Bob P. |
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