Can anyone tell me when CASP 7 WU's will stop being sent out so that I can turn other projects back on.

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August 7 is the final day for CASP submissions

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If the last expiry is 7-AUG-06 (according to chart linked to above), why am I getting CASP7 WUs with 9-AUG-06 report deadlines (I will complete them before the 7th, but still ...)?

[EDIT:] If the deadline has passed, should these be aborted or will the science still be useful, even if not for CASP? [/EDIT]

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All CASP targets returned by clients/users before the AUG 7 deadline will count. They are still generated with the one week deadlines attatched but makes no difference as long as they are returned by AUG 7.

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[EDIT:] If the deadline has passed, should these be aborted or will the science still be useful, even if not for CASP? [/EDIT]

They'll still be useful. They're on the last bunch of targets now, so crunching on those won't take time away from working on targets that can still provide predictions to submit.

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CASP targets

If the last expiry is 7-AUG-06 (according to chart linked to above), why am I getting CASP7 WUs with 9-AUG-06 report deadlines (I will complete them before the 7th, but still ...)?

[EDIT:] If the deadline has passed, should these be aborted or will the science still be useful, even if not for CASP? [/EDIT]

They will still be usefull for science.

Anders n

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The science is useful either way. I wanted to point out that Keith is talking about the CASP deadlines, not the WU deadline.

After CASP, they will continue to study the proteins and the results of what we crunched on them, and try to learn ways to arrive at the best answer faster. But, ideally, you'd get the result reported prior to Aug 7... who knows! You might be the predictor of the day with that one! And THAT's the one they want to submit to CASP.

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The science is useful either way. I wanted to point out that Keith is talking about the CASP deadlines, not the WU deadline.

After CASP, they will continue to study the proteins and the results of what we crunched on them, and try to learn ways to arrive at the best answer faster. But, ideally, you'd get the result reported prior to Aug 7... who knows! You might be the predictor of the day with that one! And THAT's the one they want to submit to CASP.

My only concern was meeting the CASP deadline, and when I can turn my other projects back on. The latter has not really been answered. Are we going to continue to receive CASP labeled WUs after the CASP expiry has passed?

It would make more sense to me to set the due date for the CASP expiry date (this would allow for BOINC EDF mode to try and make the CASP deadline), but I'm not running the project ;-) For instance, I have a T382 (CASP due 5-AUG) at the bottom of my list with a later Rosetta due date than a T386 (CASP due 7-AUG) even though the CASP expiry date on the T386 is later than the T382. Both should return before their CASP expiry, but might not if I were not giving 100% crunch time to Rosetta.

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OK I apologize. Since CASP 7 ends AUG 7 then feel free on that date to turn your other pojects back on since CASP 7 participation (S.O.S.) won't bee needed after that date.

But Dr. Baker would appreciate it if you could clear out your cues instead of abandoning them, if that's possible.

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OK I apologize. Since CASP 7 ends AUG 7 then feel free on that date to turn your other pojects back on since CASP 7 participation (S.O.S.) won't bee needed after that date.

But Dr. Baker would appreciate it if you could clear out your cues instead of abandoning them, if that's possible.

No problem, as long as the science is useful all cached WUs will be completed.

Thanks

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!!Stupidity should be PAINFUL!!

OK I apologize. Since CASP 7 ends AUG 7 then feel free on that date to turn your other pojects back on since CASP 7 participation (S.O.S.) won't bee needed after that date.

But Dr. Baker would appreciate it if you could clear out your cues instead of abandoning them, if that's possible.

No problem, as long as the science is useful all cached WUs will be completed.

Thanks

Keith is absolutely correct. I've discussed this with several people other scientists in the lab, and we all agree: workunits submitted after the deadline are very useful indeed! While they will not help the accuracy of our submissions to CASP this year, we can still analyze results after the deadline. We are extremely interested in analyzing our results and refining out techniques using all available computational power. Bottom line: if those workunits are returned after the CASP deadline, they are still useful.

Thank you all for your help.

Hello!

Newbie here again. Running 100% Rosetta 24/7.

(1)I "assume" that by stating Aug 7 as the deadline, this means 11:59:59 p.m.

(2) This is relevant, because my 24h work units usually finish some time around 1:00 a.m.

Therefore, I "assume" it would be advantageous for me (and everyone else?) on Aug 6 (Aug 7?) to change preferences to run work units at much shorter intervals (3hr? 1hr?), so as to get as much in before the deadline as possible.

(3) Also, how could I best ensure that if a work unit finishes at 11:55 p.m. that the results are immediately sent, so as to make the midnight deadline.

Just a curious newbie.

Thanx!



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Keith is absolutely correct. I've discussed this with several people other scientists in the lab, and we all agree: workunits submitted after the deadline are very useful indeed! While they will not help the accuracy of our submissions to CASP this year, we can still analyze results after the deadline. We are extremely interested in analyzing our results and refining out techniques using all available computational power. Bottom line: if those workunits are returned after the CASP deadline, they are still useful.

Thank you all for your help.[/quote]

Looks like you're running close to 24hr CPU times.

You can shorten this time to between 12 and 8 hours if you want. Looks like you've got a fast system.

It's really up to you.

As for the exact cutoff for user submissions, I'm not sure. But I imagine that it will be enough in advance so that the team can choose the best server targets before the CASP server deadline is reached.

Just use your best judgement.

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Targets expire on specified date at noon (12:00) local time in California (GMT - 7 hours).

You can see what day a particular CASP target expires here: http://predictioncenter.gc.ucdavis.edu/casp7/targets/cgi/casp7-view.cgi?loc=predictioncenter.org;page=casp7/

Although the actual "closing" will probably be a few hours earlier, since the project team probably has to verify the model first (shouldn't take long though) and submit it.

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Penguin Don't try to cut it THAT close. No telling how long the project team needs prior to them submitting their prediction to CASP. What I would do, assuming a full-time network connection here, on Sunday evening, is change the WU runtime preference to 1hr. This would then basically report results as soon as you've finished each model.

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Penguin Don't try to cut it THAT close. No telling how long the project team needs prior to them submitting their prediction to CASP. What I would do, assuming a full-time network connection here, on Sunday evening, is change the WU runtime preference to 1hr. This would then basically report results as soon as you've finished each model.

Where are these runtime preferences? Is this the "Connect to network about every" line?

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Runtime: Click on thumbnail.

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Ah, the two different preferences confused me. Just set the slow computer (which also isn't on much) to 1hr WU's. Thanks!

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Oh. Is there any benefit to a 3hr WU, or is it just 3x of the smaller ones packaged together?

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