XS_VS: I wanted to just point out that moderators are not hired.

And also that, while your post of 17 Sep 2006 5:24:31 UTC seems well thought through, non-flaming, etc. there are still two words in it which warrent deletion. One with a double "s" and one with a double "l". It's taken me this long to awake from my night's sleep, and to delete your original post now would be more disruptive then it is worth for two words. However, had I been here when that post was on top of the thread, I would likely have deleted it simply based on two words.

I'm just trying to be clear here so we all understand each other. And so when we delete such posts, please don't accuse us of censoring your views, or stifling the message boards.

It's with long well-thought-out posts like that where we sometimes repost it with the two words removed. However, if I did that, it would drop my new post in this thread in time order, by the time of my revision, not the time of your post. This would be disruptive to the flow of the conversation. I hope you can see that posting those two words puts moderators in an awkward position. And I hope that puts in to perspective why so many posts and threads have been deleted this past week.

If you mean "pissed off" and "hell" , that in no way deserves deletion.

"Pissed off" is common American English usage for being made angry, even for school children. It's well within the PG mandate.

"Hell" is ... well, hell - used by preachers the world over for centuries.

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

If you mean "pissed off" and "hell" , that in no way deserves deletion.

Careful what you say, I did so as well and got deleted.

If you mean "pissed off" and "hell" , that in no way deserves deletion.

Careful what you say, I did so as well and got deleted.

I REALLY don't care - it's out there for the mods to read, and anyone else.

I don't believe this stuff should be dicussed in secret, by email. If the mods feel they must delete something, then they should be able to discuss the reasons and context in public.

We don't need to be spelling words out like we're parents not wanting the toddlers to hear it spoken. Get real - "F-word" "C-word" ?

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

I edited quite a few messages in this thread to remove terms like "cheat" and "zero RACer" and a number of other terms that were also being used to belittle others - or could be seen by the other side as being used to belittle them.

They were not neccessary for the topic of the New Credit System.
http://ralph.bakerlab.org/moderation.php

I assumed that after being informed what was removed and why; seeing your edited message with certain objectionable terms removed, and repeating the process a few times that it would be easy to remember what terms were not allowed. I thank those that finally stopped using the offending terms and have tried to discuss the New Credit System.

If we're done discussing the New Credit System, then please open a new thread and discuss things other than the New Credit System in the new thread.

Why are you quoting a moderation policy from another project?

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Mod.Tymbrimi, that last post of mine that you deleted in this thread, was feable attempt at humour by me. No more than that. ;-)

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Mod.Tymbrimi, that last post of mine that you deleted in this thread, was feable attempt at humour by me. No more than that. ;-)

Humor is not allowed here. Please limit all discussion to the weather.

You have been warned.

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for off topic posts from the other Another thread.

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Nemesis:
Of the 3 online PG rated games I've played that are based in the USA, the phrase "pissed off" and the word "hell" were accepted; depending on how "hell" was used. There's definately better words and phrases to use that express the concept you wish to convey that are less likely to offend.

Whl:
And here I was worried that you were starting to suffer from Alzheimers. <grin> Be careful with those C words.. non musical versions of Capriccio don't always work. <grin>

Nemesis:
I thought I had the Rosetta rules for posting up. Rosetta and Rosetta ALPHa (Ralph) use the same rules.

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XS_VS:

I don't see a post of mine here with the timeframe you mention, so I am confused...

My apologies, that was the date of the post you had responded to, I grabbed the wrong date. I was referring to Message 27039.

We're all adults here(hopefully)

No, we're NOT all adults here. Rosetta is a great science project for school age children as well. This is the reason for the PG rating we've discussed before.

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XS_VS:

I don't see a post of mine here with the timeframe you mention, so I am confused...

My apologies, that was the date of the post you had responded to, I grabbed the wrong date. I was referring to Message 27039.

We're all adults here(hopefully)

No, we're NOT all adults here. Rosetta is a great science project for school age children as well. This is the reason for the PG rating we've discussed before.

Hey at least the kids will get a lesson on censorship and freedom of speech.

Some interesting reading from the BOINC source distribution, on moderation. This is BOINC's boilerplate instructions for moderators

There are a number of recommendations on moderator behavior in there that are NOT being followed here.

Don't let your personal opinions
or moods affect your moderation decisions.
You may not delete a post simply because
you disagree with it or dislike its author.
If you find yourself getting angry, take a break.

Except for posts containing obscene language or pictures,
avoid deleting posts until someone complains about them
(and, of course, don't delete them simply because someone has complained).

I guess project-to-project parity only applies to stats....

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Nemesis:
Of the 3 online PG rated games I've played that are based in the USA, the phrase "pissed off" and the word "hell" were accepted; depending on how "hell" was used. There's definately better words and phrases to use that express the concept you wish to convey that are less likely to offend.

Whl:
And here I was worried that you were starting to suffer from Alzheimers. <grin> Be careful with those C words.. non musical versions of Capriccio don't always work. <grin>

Nemesis:
I thought I had the Rosetta rules for posting up. Rosetta and Rosetta ALPHa (Ralph) use the same rules.

There appears to be no moderation.php file accessable on Rosetta, so nothing for you and us to follow.

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-On second thought -
Edited - the original post - self modded and deleted by me.

I will return to this project - someday - maybe.

Till then,
Have fun - crunch on!

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Don't let your personal opinions
or moods affect your moderation decisions.
You may not delete a post simply because
you disagree with it or dislike its author.
If you find yourself getting angry, take a break.

I'm interested. Show me evidence of these. One example of each. Not 1 example from everyone; nor 3 examples from everyone. A total of 3 examples.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I edited simply because of my personal opinions.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I dislike its author.
Just post the message number - and not the text which caused the message to get deleted/edited.

I've edited 10 or 11 messages in the Another New Credit System thread to remove terms that belittle, insult, disparage, etc, others, or that others will take as belittling, insulting, disparaging, etc. 4 times "my" two threads got out of control because I didn't remove the inflamatory messages before war broke out. Eventually, people stopped using the insulting/belittling/disparaging terms, and I didn't have to edit them anymore.

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Don't let your personal opinions
or moods affect your moderation decisions.
You may not delete a post simply because
you disagree with it or dislike its author.
If you find yourself getting angry, take a break.

I'm interested. Show me evidence of these. One example of each. Not 1 example from everyone; nor 3 examples from everyone. A total of 3 examples.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I edited simply because of my personal opinions.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I dislike its author.
Just post the message number - and not the text which caused the message to get deleted/edited.

I've edited 10 or 11 messages in the Another New Credit System thread to remove terms that belittle, insult, disparage, etc, others, or that others will take as belittling, insulting, disparaging, etc. 4 times "my" two threads got out of control because I didn't remove the inflamatory messages before war broke out. Eventually, people stopped using the insulting/belittling/disparaging terms, and I didn't have to edit them anymore.

Okies: Start with Moderator DE's attack on those who do not agree with him as being Irrational;.

Why didn't you moderate out what was a personal attack, slanderous ( calling a person crazy) and flamer material of the first kind? DE is a moderator and was given a free pass by all of you moderators.

As to your request: the moderating activity that resulted in hiding and or removing threads will make getting your evidence harder if not impossible: the tracks have been covered.

It has been argued that moderation of this board to PG levels is required because minors participate in them. So I ask is this board rhen complying with the US Goverment requisites of asking and recording birthdates of participants in interney boards where minnors can be present.

Don't let your personal opinions
or moods affect your moderation decisions.
You may not delete a post simply because
you disagree with it or dislike its author.
If you find yourself getting angry, take a break.

I'm interested. Show me evidence of these. One example of each. Not 1 example from everyone; nor 3 examples from everyone. A total of 3 examples.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I edited simply because of my personal opinions.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
Give me the message number & thread number of a message that I deleted simply because I dislike its author.
Just post the message number - and not the text which caused the message to get deleted/edited.

I've edited 10 or 11 messages in the Another New Credit System thread to remove terms that belittle, insult, disparage, etc, others, or that others will take as belittling, insulting, disparaging, etc. 4 times "my" two threads got out of control because I didn't remove the inflamatory messages before war broke out. Eventually, people stopped using the insulting/belittling/disparaging terms, and I didn't have to edit them anymore.

Mod.DE threatened to remove or actually did remove posts by Whl. and Jose, simply because he did not like the tone of the post, thinking it was too negative. That should fit at least two of the criteria.

All of the present mods seem to be deleting posts based on their OPINION that certain words are not to be spoken. I don't see any groundswell of approval of that from the user base.

I notice you didn't address the second part I quoted from Instructions for Moderators - about not deleting unless someone complains, or only because someone complains.

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I asked for the 3 message numbers of examples of me, Mod.Tymbrimi (the "I" in my previous message in this thread) performing these three activities.

Where are the message numbers of the examples of me performing the activities you seem to be accusing me of?

Why didn't you moderate out what was a personal attack, slanderous (calling a person crazy) and flamer material of the first kind?

A. Crazy people may be irrational. Irrational people, however, are not neccessarily crazy. We can thus rule out being called crazy. Those that are in love have been said to act in illogical ways. That's also irrational. (def#3)

"You don't make sense to me" is not what I'd consider "flamer material of the first kind."

Anyway, I'll save the rest of the explanation until you present at least one of the requested 3 message numbers.


Nemesis: I'll save that comment until you present at least one of the requested 3 message numbers.

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Mod.Tymbrimi:
I have a very simple question to ask you.
Before you became a moderator here, were you a poster on this forum?

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I asked for the 3 message numbers of examples of me, Mod.Tymbrimi (the "I" in my previous message in this thread) performing these three activities.

Where are the message numbers of the examples of me performing the activities you seem to be accusing me of?

Why didn't you moderate out what was a personal attack, slanderous (calling a person crazy) and flamer material of the first kind?

A. Crazy people may be irrational. Irrational people, however, are not neccessarily crazy. We can thus rule out being called crazy. Those that are in love have been said to act in illogical ways. That's also irrational. (def#3)

"You don't make sense to me" is not what I'd consider "flamer material of the first kind."

Anyway, I'll save the rest of the explanation until you present at least one of the requested 3 message numbers.


Nemesis: I'll save that comment until you present at least one of the requested 3 message numbers.

So you are protecting Moderator DE.

Poor Mod SSENSE: Now there are two cases of moderators that are allowing his participant bias to show.