quote=river~~ here

quote=SOAN I know we missed it by a lot, but does anyone know what day Rosetta was launched?

Depends what you mean by launched.

Earliest news item in the db says

June 26, 2005
Rosetta for Windows and Linux platforms available. Initial work units are 2ptl ab initio folding tests



and it is heartwarmiong to know that they had two platforms available right from the start. The news item does not say it is open to the public at that stage.

Another early news item is

September 24, 2005
Welcome from David Baker and the first top predictions posted.



The fact that they had top predictions suggests that public opening had already happened - in which case it was a belated welcome to the earliest arrivals, or a belated link to it.

What is also easy to look at is the low numbered usernames, and the low numbered threads, and here things get odd.

The oldest users id numbers 1 to 13 are missing. This must be a db admin intervention as the website does not allow for user deletion.

David Kim has the lowest id no of any current user (user 14) and users 14 to 17 were all created 1st July 2005, later than the first test WU fro the news! Either they re-initialised the database, or the now-deleted first 13 users were crunching those early wu. Or maybe the wu were so dangerously buggy that they ate some of the early devs ;-)

User 18, Bin Qian, was created next on July 13. Then users gather in ones and twos till on 15th Sept we were still only up to user 34.

Then 35 people all joined on 16th Sept and another 282 on 17th, and about 220 on 18th. So from user ids it looks like public launch late on 16 September 2005 UTC, even if only to a selected audience at first.

Turning to the message boards, Thread no 1, message no 1 was not posted till 12 Sep 2005 17:54:53 UTC, so the boards were quite slow to get off the ground - or were reset before public launch.

First invitation into the Rosetta cafe was thread 17, and the First post in Number crunching was thread 18, both on 16 Sep 2005 after 23:00 UTC both by CaptainAvatar. We start to see all the usual suspects around soon after, mostly showing up as 17th UTC as midnight had just happened in Greenwich England.

So we could go for 26th June, 1st July, 12th September, 16th Sepetember, or 24th September.

Of that list I'd go for 16th September - the day the public started to arrive and the day the first posts in the cafe and NC were going up. Public account creation may have been enabled before 16th, but if so it can't have been publicised till 16th - probably in the afternoon Seattle time (evidence is the flurry of activity around midninght UTC, which comes late in the working day in Washington State).

Which makes Rosetta 14 months old to the day as I post this.

River~~

That's funny River~~, I thought that Ethan's offer of the Housing and Food Services computers was the impetus for Rosetta going down the BOINC road (he joined 22 Aug 2005, Housing and Food Services joined 1 Jul 2005 ), hmmm... it seems that they were already heading that way, hang on I've found more incriminating evidence

quote=Ethan here
Hi everyone. My name is Ethan and I'm a sys admin at the UW department of housing and food services. We've been helping Beta test this project for a couple months, mostly with our computers and the Baker lab. We're just getting ready to advertise to the students moving into our Res Halls (The posters ask "Do you Boinc?"). It's been a pretty exciting day to watch the project go from something internal the UW to one where we're gaining users from around the world :) I find it amazing people are so eager to add their machines to this project, one with such great potential. Thanks everyone!

I still think it was Ethan's fault :)

And will anybody own up to being Captain Avatar?

What's worse is while looking back through the records I found this here

quote=hugothehermit My vote is for open source. Although, the WU that is the lowest Energy and RMSD (before using it for more computation or being placed in the top predictions) should be checked by one of your local machines running the official app, thereby getting rid of redundancy on a major (full user base) scale, bad compiles and idiots.

Cheating is BOINC's problem not yours, and should be forgotten about at your end.

I would hate to think that you would go for redundancy on all WU's as your computing power will be more than halved, re-sending the conflicting WU's out again.


I probably wouldn't be able to help with the optimization as I've been out of it too long ,and self taught to boot, and for all you knockers of C / C++ it's a beautiful language let down by it's compilers, which end I shan't say :)


My bet for 1 million a day is 2006 Jan 05 8:45:25AM GMT , if I'm right I want a postcard signed by the R@H team ;P

I hang my head in shame, I have no idea what I was thinking at the time :(

Edit: I haven't edited it yet but with that much BBcode, and me I know I will have to :) I wish that BOINC had the quote= it would be a lot easier, I hope it all makes sence.
Well I wasn't wrong I think I edited it twenty times or so, I hope nobody was attempting to follow the changes :) BOINC we need a preview feature.


And if I had bother to read Ethans post I would of discovered that the day that R@H went live, was 17 SEP 2005 UTC it seems

So that leaves two questions

1. Who is/was Captain Avatar ?
2. Did I win the bet for the 1 million a day ?

That's funny River~~, I thought that Ethan's offer of the Housing and Food Services computers was the impetus for Rosetta going down the BOINC road (he joined 22 Aug 2005, Housing and Food Services joined 1 Jul 2005 ),

Sounds convincing to me. David Kim was the first of several users created on 1st July and Housing and Food Serives were the last of those created that day, if user ids are an accurate record of the order of creation. Looks to me then that DavidK revamped the database on 1st July in the light of Ethan's offer, tho as you say they'd been playing around with the BOINC code before that.

And will anybody own up to being Captain Avatar?

CA is one of those names (like Misfit, to name another) who crops up on almost all projects - both of them do a lot to encourage the social life of a project. You will find CA is the owner of the Cafe thread on the Cafe board of several projects, for example.

quote=hugothehermit ... Although, the WU that is the lowest Energy and RMSD ... should be checked by one of your local machines running the official app, thereby getting rid of redundancy on a major scale
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I would hate to think that you would go for redundancy on all WU's as your computing power will be more than halved, re-sending the conflicting WU's out again.

agree totally, nothing wrong with that advice. Waht was at issue was whethrer to use redundancy or not, and you made the right call on the question as it was understood at the time. Even if one of your arguments now seems a little misplaced ;)

R~~

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And if I had bother to read Ethans post I would of discovered that the day that R@H went live, was 17 SEP 2005 UTC it seems
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I am still going for 16th UTC and 16th Seattle time, on the same evidence ;-)

Ethan's post is less than half an hour after midnight UTC, and midnight UTC comes towards the end of the working day in Seattle iirr. So "Today" in his post would have included CA's post less than an hour before on the 16th UTC.

It also looks like the launch was aimed at local students, with posters etc. But they opened the doors with a net attached server with a working internet domain name, so they let in the serial BOINC pioneers like CA and Misfit at the same time.

R~~

EDIT: New evidence - first post from someone arriving from another BOINC project before 2100 UTC on 16th.

I am still going for 16th UTC and 16th Seattle time, on the same evidence ;-)

Ethan's post is less than half an hour after midnight UTC, and midnight UTC comes towards the end of the working day in Seattle iirr. So "Today" in his post would have included CA's post less than an hour before on the 16th UTC.

It also looks like the launch was aimed at local students, with posters etc. But they opened the doors with a net attached server with a working internet domain name, so they let in the serial BOINC pioneers like CA and Misfit at the same time.

R~~

EDIT: New evidence - first post from someone arriving from another BOINC project before 2100 UTC on 16th.

I think your right, 16th Sep 2005 sound good to me, and makes me 10 days younger than the project itself :)

CA is one of those names (like Misfit, to name another) who crops up on almost all projects - both of them do a lot to encourage the social life of a project. You will find CA is the owner of the Cafe thread on the Cafe board of several projects, for example.

I didn't know that, I was hoping that one of the admins would have to confess :D

I hang my head in shame, I have no idea what I was thinking at the time :(

I was talking about this doozy

Cheating is BOINC's problem not yours, and should be forgotten about at your end.

*Cringe*

http://w3range.net/media/timmy_dance.html
heres CA enjoy

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If you can't take a joke you should never have joined.

16th Sep 2005 sound good to me, and makes me 10 days younger than the project itself :)

So I am 2?

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Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

16th Sep 2005 sound good to me, and makes me 10 days younger than the project itself :)

So I am 2?

No. You're one and a bit.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=2288

Might want to check out this linl it goes to thread start sept.15 2005. I think I was the 4 or 5 th reply on sept. 17. Also rosetta was just in beta when I joined. I remeber Dr. Baker announcing rosetta is now out of beta and in full production a few days after I joined. I remember thinking wow! that was a fast BETA.

Anyhoo Have a Great Day Ciao.............

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https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=5

whoops ment to post this link guess it was 16 sept. 2005 that the public started showing up.

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My joining to R@H was relatively late, being January, 2006. I hope it wasn't as rocky for everyone else as it was for me. When I joined, I got some WUs for a few days, then detached right away; I was getting nothing but errors, so I bailed out pretty quick. I later returned, either in late January or early february if I remember right. Geez, I was disappointed to say the least. Since then, however, R@H has been very stable and rarely seen lots of errors, though there have been some. But that is to be expected.

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There have been a couple of periods like that in the short time that Rosetta has been with us, but they all go away eventually. I'm trying to remember what was going on when I joined. This screensaver bug seems to be the newest in the series but it sounds like it's almost solved too.