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Message 80537 - Posted: 14 Aug 2016, 14:31:11 UTC

Thank you that is all.
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Message 80539 - Posted: 14 Aug 2016, 18:16:27 UTC

Validate errors also.
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Message 80541 - Posted: 15 Aug 2016, 8:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 80539.  

Validate errors also.

They are granted credit - it just doesn't show up until up to 24 hrs after submission, and only shows up in the task:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=858307319
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Message 80670 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 13:42:21 UTC

Getting lots of validate errors....I mean a lot!
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Message 80674 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 9:44:59 UTC

Hi, Same here, all of my last units have finished on validate error.


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Message 80675 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 14:37:00 UTC

I have also many validate errors.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?hostid=2375894

Here are som Task ID`s with this error.

877274036
877264667
877264347
877263454
877263377
877248723
877472456
877274682
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Message 80676 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 14:58:49 UTC

Yes, lots of validate errors, all of them are rb_09_* jobs
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Message 80688 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 18:11:32 UTC

These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate).
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Message 80689 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 18:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 80688.  

These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate).


I had a closer look at this. It seems like all these workunits are marked as 'Canceled' on the workunit-details-page. Might be the smoking gun in solving this problem...
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Message 80690 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 19:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 80689.  

These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate).


I had a closer look at this. It seems like all these workunits are marked as 'Canceled' on the workunit-details-page. Might be the smoking gun in solving this problem...


Yes, some jobs were canceled. Thanks!
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Message 80691 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 10:16:02 UTC

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Message 80694 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 19:57:17 UTC

These canceled jobs are eventually granted claimed credit.
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Message 80729 - Posted: 10 Oct 2016, 13:13:40 UTC
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I am only given about 1/5th credit for some work completed even though the jobs say successfully completed, the claimed credit just under 120 and the granted credit is only 20. Why?
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Message 80730 - Posted: 11 Oct 2016, 1:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 80729.  

I am only given about 1/5th credit for some work completed even though the jobs say successfully completed, the claimed credit just under 120 and the granted credit is only 20. Why?

I have no idea, but the watchdog is cutting in at runtime+4 hours with only 1 decoy completed and reporting
BOINC:: CPU time: 25242.8s, 14400s + 10800s[2016-10- 9 16:17:34:] :: BOINC
WARNING! cannot get file size for default.out.gz: could not open file.
Output exists: default.out.gz Size: -1
InternalDecoyCount: 0 (GZ)
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0
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Stream information inconsistent.
Writing W_0000001
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DONE :: 1 starting structures 25242.8 cpu seconds
This process generated 1 decoys from 1 attempts
======================================================
called boinc_finish

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Message 80867 - Posted: 24 Nov 2016, 7:32:50 UTC

The granting of credits continues to be confusing and would even be annoying if I still cared that much. Appears to be pretty random. One of the apparently "authoritative" comments in this thread says it may take up to 24 hours. Okay, why? Also, why do other work units clearly get their credit immediately?

Example in the following two links. Even if you can't use them because of your permissions, I believe that I should be able to use them tomorrow to see if the 24-hour thing is true.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=886248903
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=800015334

The first one is for "Task details", and it has the notation that the task was reported too late for validation. The granted credit is 0 for a claim of 175 point something. There were some other work units of similar deadlines submitted around the same time, but they seem to have gotten credit close to their claims. In other threads, "authoritative" sources have said that credit is granted for late work units, but it seems to be sometimes yes, sometimes no. Intermittent reinforcement is how you train a dog to be vicious, eh?

The second one is "Workunit details", and the interpretation is less clear. The 2nd line of the 3 it currently shows appears to be referring to the same work unit as in the first link.
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Message 80871 - Posted: 25 Nov 2016, 0:18:09 UTC

Credit is not granted for tasks returned after their deadlines. The only time I may have appeared to say otherwise was when the project servers were not processing uploads properly for an extended period of time.

But credit IS granted for "failed" tasks, and this is done via a daily process that was created specifically to reward these computation efforts as being helpful to advancing the science.
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Message 80907 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 1:00:34 UTC - in response to Message 80541.  

Validate errors also.

They are granted credit - it just doesn't show up until up to 24 hrs after submission, and only shows up in the task:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=858307319


This claim keeps reappearing, but I doubt it. I think some of the work is just tossed and it makes me feel like the project doesn't actually value our contribution even enough to grant us the benign nod of a few meaningless credits. Basically discouraging, but my real concern is that the same kind of indifference might extend to the research itself.

Last time I visited I noted a couple of zero-credit work units. My intention was to check on them 24 hours later. Don't remember if I did, but now those links just return the error message "Unable to handle request".

Even if I'm getting no "credit" for my good will and the electricity directed in your direction, I'd like to feel there is some good work going on there and that I sometimes contribute towards it... Fortunately, I don't care that much, though that lack of enthusiasm can be problematic (as when extended to presidential politics).

Also, I still don't care even a tiny bit about your artificial deadlines and just find them annoying. It just tossed another work unit for missing its deadline, so I guess that's 7 more hours in the bit bucket.
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