Message boards : Number crunching : Giving Zero Credit for Work Completed
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Ace Casino Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 18 Credit: 14,027,021 RAC: 10,499 |
Thank you that is all. |
Ace Casino Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 18 Credit: 14,027,021 RAC: 10,499 |
Validate errors also. |
dcdc Send message Joined: 3 Nov 05 Posts: 1831 Credit: 119,627,225 RAC: 9,274 |
Validate errors also. They are granted credit - it just doesn't show up until up to 24 hrs after submission, and only shows up in the task: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=858307319 |
Ace Casino Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 18 Credit: 14,027,021 RAC: 10,499 |
Getting lots of validate errors....I mean a lot! |
4C4eiAAGZ8UPNoMz6DQdcxTWGQaa Send message Joined: 9 Sep 06 Posts: 2 Credit: 3,407,431 RAC: 175 |
Hi, Same here, all of my last units have finished on validate error. |
BlueGhost Send message Joined: 9 Nov 05 Posts: 1 Credit: 1,875,203 RAC: 0 |
I have also many validate errors. https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?hostid=2375894 Here are som Task ID`s with this error. 877274036 877264667 877264347 877263454 877263377 877248723 877472456 877274682 |
Dr. Merkwürdigliebe Send message Joined: 5 Dec 10 Posts: 81 Credit: 2,657,273 RAC: 0 |
Yes, lots of validate errors, all of them are rb_09_* jobs |
David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0 |
These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate). |
Koen Send message Joined: 29 Sep 05 Posts: 8 Credit: 8,542,574 RAC: 0 |
These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate). I had a closer look at this. It seems like all these workunits are marked as 'Canceled' on the workunit-details-page. Might be the smoking gun in solving this problem... |
David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0 |
These might be a result of the database and filesystem issues we had recently. It's stable now at the moment particularly without the load coming from Charity Engine. Please let us know if these errors continue for the rb_ jobs. These jobs are standard jobs that should not fail (they should have a high success rate). Yes, some jobs were canceled. Thanks! |
Dr. Merkwürdigliebe Send message Joined: 5 Dec 10 Posts: 81 Credit: 2,657,273 RAC: 0 |
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David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0 |
These canceled jobs are eventually granted claimed credit. |
Saj Send message Joined: 24 May 15 Posts: 1 Credit: 100,229 RAC: 0 |
I am only given about 1/5th credit for some work completed even though the jobs say successfully completed, the claimed credit just under 120 and the granted credit is only 20. Why? |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2125 Credit: 41,228,659 RAC: 8,784 |
I am only given about 1/5th credit for some work completed even though the jobs say successfully completed, the claimed credit just under 120 and the granted credit is only 20. Why? I have no idea, but the watchdog is cutting in at runtime+4 hours with only 1 decoy completed and reporting BOINC:: CPU time: 25242.8s, 14400s + 10800s[2016-10- 9 16:17:34:] :: BOINC This computer |
shanen Send message Joined: 16 Apr 14 Posts: 195 Credit: 12,662,308 RAC: 0 |
The granting of credits continues to be confusing and would even be annoying if I still cared that much. Appears to be pretty random. One of the apparently "authoritative" comments in this thread says it may take up to 24 hours. Okay, why? Also, why do other work units clearly get their credit immediately? Example in the following two links. Even if you can't use them because of your permissions, I believe that I should be able to use them tomorrow to see if the 24-hour thing is true. https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=886248903 https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=800015334 The first one is for "Task details", and it has the notation that the task was reported too late for validation. The granted credit is 0 for a claim of 175 point something. There were some other work units of similar deadlines submitted around the same time, but they seem to have gotten credit close to their claims. In other threads, "authoritative" sources have said that credit is granted for late work units, but it seems to be sometimes yes, sometimes no. Intermittent reinforcement is how you train a dog to be vicious, eh? The second one is "Workunit details", and the interpretation is less clear. The 2nd line of the 3 it currently shows appears to be referring to the same work unit as in the first link. #1 Freedom = (Meaningful - Constrained) Choice{5} != (Beer^3 | Speech) |
Mod.Sense Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 06 Posts: 4018 Credit: 0 RAC: 0 |
Credit is not granted for tasks returned after their deadlines. The only time I may have appeared to say otherwise was when the project servers were not processing uploads properly for an extended period of time. But credit IS granted for "failed" tasks, and this is done via a daily process that was created specifically to reward these computation efforts as being helpful to advancing the science. Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense |
shanen Send message Joined: 16 Apr 14 Posts: 195 Credit: 12,662,308 RAC: 0 |
Validate errors also. This claim keeps reappearing, but I doubt it. I think some of the work is just tossed and it makes me feel like the project doesn't actually value our contribution even enough to grant us the benign nod of a few meaningless credits. Basically discouraging, but my real concern is that the same kind of indifference might extend to the research itself. Last time I visited I noted a couple of zero-credit work units. My intention was to check on them 24 hours later. Don't remember if I did, but now those links just return the error message "Unable to handle request". Even if I'm getting no "credit" for my good will and the electricity directed in your direction, I'd like to feel there is some good work going on there and that I sometimes contribute towards it... Fortunately, I don't care that much, though that lack of enthusiasm can be problematic (as when extended to presidential politics). Also, I still don't care even a tiny bit about your artificial deadlines and just find them annoying. It just tossed another work unit for missing its deadline, so I guess that's 7 more hours in the bit bucket. #1 Freedom = (Meaningful - Constrained) Choice{5} != (Beer^3 | Speech) |
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