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Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Rosetta blackists computers that fail tasks. Depending on how the server "feels" it can be as little as one failed task that gets you knocked off or it can be up to 3-4 before it knocks you off. I've had this happen to me a few times. Just go into your profile, click the nice button and update the project in BOINC and everything is fine again. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
I'm a bit mystified why my RAC keeps diving despite 9 validated tasks in the last whatever time period it is allowed to show. |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
I'm a bit mystified why my RAC keeps diving despite 9 validated tasks in the last whatever time period it is allowed to show. That means that you are not returning validated tasks as fast as you were earlier in the month the RAC is for. If you can't download tasks, you can't complete and return them. The tasks that are shown is usually for a shorter period, such as a week. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
I'm a bit mystified why my RAC keeps diving despite 9 validated tasks in the last whatever time period it is allowed to show. I see the problem now, LHC had a big batch of use all (15 in my case)cpu tasks. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
I'm a bit mystified why my RAC keeps diving despite 9 validated tasks in the last whatever time period it is allowed to show. Correction: It's Milkyway with 15 out 16 CPUs for 3-4 minutes per task. 83 tasks in queue. But I switch applications every few hours so everyone has their turn. |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,187,038 RAC: 3,476 |
I'm a bit mystified why my RAC keeps diving despite 9 validated tasks in the last whatever time period it is allowed to show. Try an app_config.xml file in each Project folder that looks like this: <app_config> <project_max_concurrent>2</project_max_concurrent> </app_config> Then change the number, 2 in this case, to reflect how many tasks you want that project to run at a time. Keep the cache settings in mind as you do this and you can run 2 tasks from this project, 1 from that project and 12 from that project over there all at the same time day after day after day. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
damn trash is showing up in the python stuff. 2 x I have had to abort stuff with 6 hours run time and 20 mins cpu time and cpu usage of .20% and a completion rate of .003%/ 2 secs. aaae-mNHM_pp-mNMABU-mPHE-mACHA14C_pp_2867243_12_1 DeleteSnap ERROR [COM] ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) VM Trace Log: 705b125ac7c4f" take boinc_6262 Exit Code: 0 Output: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90%...100% Snapshot taken. UUID: 41060c4e-4f99-400e-9ea2-ff6d9cc55923 2022-07-30 22:34:08 (14304): Command: VBoxManage -q controlvm "boinc_eb4705b125ac7c4f" resume Exit Code: 0 Output: 2022-07-30 22:34:08 (14304): Command: VBoxManage -q snapshot "boinc_eb4705b125ac7c4f" list Exit Code: 0 Output: Name: boinc_5661 (UUID: fb2d7a88-a300-415c-8869-733364e1e575) Name: boinc_6262 (UUID: 41060c4e-4f99-400e-9ea2-ff6d9cc55923) * And so on Run time 2 hours 51 min 32 sec CPU time 20 sec Then... aaae-NMVAL-ACBC_pp-NMABU-ACHA14C_pp_2877356_12_1 Run time 16 hours 58 min 18 sec CPU time 1 min 33 sec and repeat above sequence |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
damn trash is showing up in the python stuff. [snip] I haven't seen that error, but I've seen a different problem under another BOINC project using Python (Cosmology) and found something you might want to try. If the task goes into a state where it says it will need to retry later, set BOINC's state to Suspend, then shut down BOINC, About a minute later, restart BOINC, then set its state to Resume. The tasks that were trying to resume later either start or are now waiting only for their turns on the CPU, this fixes it, although at the cost of losing any progress on any task that has not gone to a backup yet. Let us know if this is even relevant to your problem. |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
damn trash is showing up in the python stuff. Also, soon after BOINC starts, its event log file should include a line showing the processor features, such as: 7/30/2022 6:06:16 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2 Show us this line from your machine so we can check for some missing features that are required for the Rosetta Python tasks. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
damn trash is showing up in the python stuff. Not relevant, I have been doing Python since they first came out. And this is a Ryzen 3700X so if it were not have what was needed for Python then I was sold a bogus cpu. I have 23 finished ok. 2 errors and 9 in progress at this time. These tasks have been canceled for now. The wingman on each did not start them in time. I'm running another project that I can not interrupt at this time, but this page will tell you everything you need to know about my CPU: https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-3700x.c2130 |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2126 Credit: 41,258,011 RAC: 7,965 |
Err... no. It's because I only trust them as far as they've nominally tested something and no further.The latest version is not always the best, I'm on the latest 5 before they messed things up for half the projects. What of it? You make a distinction to no effect. Lots of assumptions and fallacies there. The issue (allegedly anyway) relates to info on a Darkweb site with datalists going back to 2016 that's supposed to have my data on. My system hasn't been compromised - some unknown commercial system from years ago was compromised by having its data (containing my passwords and other identifiable data) exposed.Why would a commercial system have more than one of your passwords? Because a few sites I connect to have more than one password for different areas and those that have a commercial backend hold financial details. It really is best you don't act like you know what's going on with my systems better than I do when the sum-total of everything you know doesn't exceed zero. I'd already fully updated and done full scans with Power Eraser, finding nothing wrong with my system at all.Updating your system isn't going to fix anything, I've no idea why you're concentrating on that. If a commercial company has been hacked, there's nothing you can do with your computer to sort that. Virus databases are updated multiple times daily. Of course updating before scanning is relevant. If you have no idea, that's your problem, not mine. And if you're conflating updating virus databases with program updates and whatever access issue some companies have had, even moreso. As far as relying on using a version of AVG free that makes no pretence of having real-time protection goes,Of course it has real time protection, why would you think it doesn't? It for example spotted me using KMSAuto to pirate windows and confiscated the executable immediately. Of course I told it that was safe :-) It doesn't for two reasons. One, they don't claim to include it in the free version - that's what the commercial version provides. And two, less importantly, you also confirmed it doesn't in your previous msg. That it reported one thing is no guarantee of reporting on any other thing. I think better of Malwarebytes, but it's certainly no better than the more comprehensive package I have.Malwarebytes is for malware, not viruses. Which is fine, because I wasn't exclusively talking about viruses (in fact not talking about viruses at all) Confirming my point preciselyI'm afraid you're relying on a reputation that disappeared in the early 2000s and are hanging onto it like grim death.Norton always has been and always will be a rip off. Like I said, I've removed viruses (using AVG!) that got past someone's Norton. Norton is absolutely rubbish, half the time it fails to update itself properly, and you trust it with the rest of your computer? I assume you're paying hard earned cash for what most people get for free. In fact at my last two places of work I put AVG on everything instead of the Norton they had previously, and nobody ever had a problem after that. I guess I was supposed to pay for the commercial license but it let me install 1000 home versions :-) Not that I'm talking about viruses per se, but it's not possible to say what allows anything onto a system as the weakest link by far is always the user. But aside from that, all independent testing reports AVG-free low down compared to other providers and Norton very high up, even against zero-day threats. And that's been so for the dozen-plus years I was more involved in comparing them as well as the other day when I looked at the most recent results. Combine that with the integrated nature of Norton (Firewall, VPN, Anti-tracking, DarkWeb monitoring and separate utilities) contained in the package, AVG falls into the toytown bracket I'm afraid. AVG's main benefit is in its inability to find anything serious, then saying everything's fine because it couldn't find anything, which is the kind of assurance that should really set alarm bells ringing. Unfortunately, people who like to get everything free do like to claim that a failure to report problems it can't find is some kind of guarantee of comprehensive quality. That always gets a laugh from me. I wouldn't worry about what I pay for. All my devices are covered by otherwise unused licences |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Robert, I just killed them after that post. They were not using enough CPU to be worth wasting my time with. When I see tasks with long run times and very little cpu usage time (via boincstats) and .10 or .15% cpu usage especially in here, i know they are stuck or bad tasks. I don't know what all that gibberish means other than the tasks is FUBAR and needs to go. In this case everything after those two tasks completed normally. Looking at a couple of lines of the errors and there is one that points to a Virtualbox error. I see there is a new version out, but since 1.34 is working on my system flawlessly, I am not sure upgrading to 1.36 is a good idea or not. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
Have you guys seen DENIS project yet? Still running some beta, but short work. It's about the heart. It's just CPU |
kotenok2000 Send message Joined: 22 Feb 11 Posts: 259 Credit: 497,912 RAC: 658 |
I have had to use proxifier to connect to denis domain. Their firewall blocks russia. |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
Have you guys seen DENIS project yet? I participated there years ago. I'll look again. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,859,343 RAC: 8,415 |
I can't make it any simpler. Version 6 of VB breaks some projects. So I use 5, which works with all of them.The latest version is not always the best, I'm on the latest 5 before they messed things up for half the projects.What of it? You make a distinction to no effect. It really is best you don't act like you know what's going on with my systems better than I do when the sum-total of everything you know doesn't exceed zero.You're the one that got hacked. Better rethink your password strategy. Virus databases are updated multiple times daily. Of course updating before scanning is relevant. If you have no idea, that's your problem, not mine.You're the one talking about program updates, not AV updates. It doesn't for two reasons. One, they don't claim to include it in the free version - that's what the commercial version provides. And two, less importantly, you also confirmed it doesn't in your previous msg.You're confusing the two programs I use. Malwarebytes has no realtime protection for free. AVG does. Which is fine, because I wasn't exclusively talking about viruses (in fact not talking about viruses at all)Viruses are the only dangerous ones. WTF? You've forgotten which side of the argument you're on. I like AVG, you like Norton.Confirming my point preciselyI'm afraid you're relying on a reputation that disappeared in the early 2000s and are hanging onto it like grim death.Norton always has been and always will be a rip off. Not that I'm talking about viruses per se, but it's not possible to say what allows anything onto a system as the weakest link by far is always the user.Then why do you need Norton? But aside from that, all independent testing reports AVG-free low down compared to other providers and Norton very high up, even against zero-day threats.We all know about bribery and advertising. Just like the first link in Google is paid for and nothing to do with what you were looking for. And that's been so for the dozen-plus years I was more involved in comparing them as well as the other day when I looked at the most recent results. Combine that with the integrated nature of Norton (Firewall, VPN, Anti-tracking, DarkWeb monitoring and separate utilities) contained in the package, AVG falls into the toytown bracket I'm afraid.And yet I see it consistently cleaning up very nasty viruses Norton failed to. Unfortunately, people who like to get everything free do like to claim that a failure to report problems it can't find is some kind of guarantee of comprehensive quality. That always gets a laugh from me.The day I pay for software is the day programmers stop putting bugs in it. |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
[snip] [quote]And that's been so for the dozen-plus years I was more involved in comparing them as well as the other day when I looked at the most recent results. Combine that with the integrated nature of Norton (Firewall, VPN, Anti-tracking, DarkWeb monitoring and separate utilities) contained in the package, AVG falls into the toytown bracket I'm afraid.And yet I see it consistently cleaning up very nasty viruses Norton failed to. One way to do that is to report things as very nasty viruses even if they aren't viruses at all.
Most bugs are put in accidentally, not deliberately. Paying for software allows more testing to find the accidental bugs, so they can be removed before users see them. Users using a variety of antivirus software makes it difficult for virus writers to produce a virus that can evade all of them. However, antivirus software often has features that other antivirus software expects to find only in viruses, so it is often a bad idea to install more than one antivirus program on the same computer. For example, they often have strings of bytes telling them what to look for to recognize certain viruses, and other antivirus programs looking for the same strings of bytes will see them as viruses. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,859,343 RAC: 8,415 |
One way to do that is to report things as very nasty viruses even if they aren't viruses at all.No, I meant it cleaned up a screwed up unusable computer, on many occasions. Most bugs are put in accidentally, not deliberately.So incompetance then. Paying for software allows more testing to find the accidental bugs, so they can be removed before users see them.If 1 million people buy it, I doubt my payment makes much difference. Users using a variety of antivirus software makes it difficult for virus writers to produce a virus that can evade all of them.They all work pretty much the same way. However, antivirus software often has features that other antivirus software expects to find only in viruses, so it is often a bad idea to install more than one antivirus program on the same computer. For example, they often have strings of bytes telling them what to look for to recognize certain viruses, and other antivirus programs looking for the same strings of bytes will see them as viruses.I wondered why they picked a fight with each other. Although I've never seen them report each other as a virus, just observed a severe slowdown of the computer. |
Squirrelly Send message Joined: 13 Dec 05 Posts: 9 Credit: 2,465,964 RAC: 1,450 |
I haven't had any WUs for weeks. No explanation or notices. Is it time to disconnect from this project? |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 943 |
I haven't had any WUs for weeks. No explanation or notices. Is it time to disconnect from this project? I've had quite a few. You may need to check a few things, Is Vbox installed? If so, what version? What CPU does your computer have? Does your computer have virtual computing enabled? |
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