Credits Granted
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 River~~ Send message Joined: 15 Dec 05 Posts: 761 Credit: 285,578 RAC: 0 |
For anyone who hasn't seen the home page, there is now a notice saying that credits have been granted for failed work since 20th Dec, providing it fits into one of the known categories of bad WU. For more details see the news item on the front page & follow the links. Thanks to David K for sorting this out River~~ |
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 815 Credit: 1,812,737 RAC: 0 |
I looked through the file, and just guessing I maybe got all of one CS out of it ... :) ==== edit Nope, a whopping: 3.2030466747 that will put me ahead! :) |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 7 Oct 05 Posts: 234 Credit: 15,020 RAC: 0 |
I looked through the file, and just guessing I maybe got all of one CS out of it ... :) LOLLLL!! Yeah, those 0.07's really count up! :-D EDIT: Hey, you missed a couple of mine: 3806813 with result: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=4832786 3775784 with result: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=4674905 [b]"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me[/b] 
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David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0 |
The results show that the granted_credit value is the same as the claimed_credit. edit: and I found the lines corresponding the two results in the tab delimited list: 3088 116833 7 0.0697947355976911 3088 116833 7 0.0714835958664747 so everything looks okay. |
[B^S] Paul@home Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 34 Credit: 393,096 RAC: 0 |
Hi David, I have a few of these units that have claimed several hundred credits in total. Yet my total granted from this process seems to be less than 1. here is an example of one WU - claimed = 85.61; granted =0 https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=4821170 Cheers, Paul edit - from the file you have availabel thru tech news:, it seems that all of my WUs were granted very low credit... [font=courrier] ID userid hostid teamid granted_credit 4275 418 92733 7 8.24962133409567E-02 11053 418 92733 7 0.111273962180825 17651 418 92733 7 8.63332465196058E-02 21576 418 92733 7 9.97628626448779E-02 22259 418 92733 7 0.101681379234202 28697 418 92733 7 8.24962133409567E-02 30257 418 92733 7 8.82517631089305E-02 37614 418 92733 7 0.109235538304668 38362 418 92733 7 8.63332465196058E-02 57644 418 92733 7 0.103539942180111 61297 418 92733 7 0.109355445591501 67016 418 92733 7 0.109355445591501 67837 418 92733 7 0.103539942180111 70283 418 92733 7 9.94031407843795E-02 78640 418 92733 7 0.101681379234202 116978 418 92733 7 0.110824309855202 116979 418 92733 7 3.60222473420885 116980 418 92733 7 8.24962133409567E-02 116981 418 92733 7 8.44147299302813E-02 116982 418 92733 7 0.113162501948442 116983 418 92733 7 0.093977336055196 116984 418 92733 7 0.109325468769793 ID SumOfgranted_credit 418 8.11119954502401E-02 [/font] Wanna visit BOINC Synergy team site? Click below!  Join BOINC Synergy Team |
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David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0 |
Paul, I did not grant credit for work units that did not match the criteria mentioned. |
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[B^S] Paul@home Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 34 Credit: 393,096 RAC: 0 |
ok. Guess I should have read the news in a little more detail! Thanks David, Paul. Wanna visit BOINC Synergy team site? Click below! Join BOINC Synergy Team |
Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
Account number = User ID ? Host ID = Computer ID ? Time-exceeding WU's not granted ? |
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Andrew Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 162 Credit: 105,512 RAC: 0 |
Account number = User ID ?yes Host ID = Computer ID ?yes Time-exceeding WU's not granted ? quote from David Kim: I did not grant credit for work units that did not match the criteria mentioned. 
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Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
For English is not my native language I would like to know how I must read this "work units that were issued bad random number seeds" in relation to time-exceeding WU's. Somebody ? |
Snake Doctor Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 182 Credit: 6,401,938 RAC: 0 |
For English is not my native language I would like to know how I must read this "work units that were issued bad random number seeds" in relation to time-exceeding WU's. The time exceeding WU have not been granted credit yet. The "Bad Random Number Seeds" WU usually error out in less than 20 CPU seconds and are a different kind of WU problem. Regards Phil  We Must look for intelligent life on other planets as, it is becoming increasingly apparent we will not find any on our own. |
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Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
For English is not my native language I would like to know how I must read this "work units that were issued bad random number seeds" in relation to time-exceeding WU's. Yet or won't be granted at all ? It's not about the credits, but the way this is handled which is annoying me. If it's your own fault/mistake you can't complain, but if it's a devs problem they should show there appreceation for all the idle time of all the participants which is lost, but not because of these participants. During the running of that time-exceeding WU I could've been crunching for another project without those WU problems. If I knew I had to babysit I would've chosen another medical project. It gets tyiring. And about those 20second WU's. I've had a lot of those, but not a single one has been granted for and again it's not about the credits but the whole package. I have my doubts about these criteria but one can always go somewhere else if one doesn't agree with the politics. |
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Snake Doctor Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 182 Credit: 6,401,938 RAC: 0 |
I said yet because I assume since we have not heard that credit will not be granted, and we have heard that they are looking into this issue, that we will be told something in the future. I have no idea what they will eventually do about this if anything. But I am not going to get worked up over it either. If we get credit for these we get it, if we don't we don't. I agree that the time could have been used better. What can you say "Stuff Happens!" As for the credits that have been granted, I assume you actually looked at the 4.5 Meg file they provided to see if your credits were there. Frankly, from what I can tell about the amount of credit involved in that exercise David Kim's time could have been put to better use on almost ANY other project issue. In most cases the total credit for any particular user totaled less that 20. We all lose more than that in rounding errors over time. Lets just wait for a few days and give the project folks a chance to work the issue all the way through. It will not make any difference if you get the credit today or a month from now, so what is the big deal? Just so I don't cause any problems here, usually the awarded credits will show up in the total credit count on your account page as an increase in your total credit, but it will not show up on the WU stats page. If you have been looking at the WU stats for the new credits you won't find them there. Regards Phil We Must look for intelligent life on other planets as, it is becoming increasingly apparent we will not find any on our own. |
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Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
You kept me on this project for now. We'll see what happens. |
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Moderator7 Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 27 Dec 05 Posts: 10 Credit: 0 RAC: 0 |
Yet or won't be granted at all ? I have asked again for specifics... I don't expect an answer at this point to be today, but probably tomorrow. Be sure to look at the text file for credits and not just the results web page. |
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David Baker Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 705 Credit: 559,847 RAC: 0 |
For English is not my native language I would like to know how I must read this "work units that were issued bad random number seeds" in relation to time-exceeding WU's. sorry, we will work on the time-exceeding WU next |
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Snake Doctor Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 182 Credit: 6,401,938 RAC: 0 |
sorry, we will work on the time-exceeding WU next Thanks David, we know you are very busy and we appreciate your efforts. Regards Phil We Must look for intelligent life on other planets as, it is becoming increasingly apparent we will not find any on our own. |
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Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
sorry, we will work on the time-exceeding WU next I know/understand they can be busy, but it would've been nicer if they kept us a bit more informed about these things. Not only what they do or have done, but also what they intend to do. The speed of the given info/responses etc. was one of the reasons to chose this project. I'm glad this is cleared up. |
Tern Send message Joined: 25 Oct 05 Posts: 576 Credit: 4,695,362 RAC: 9 |
I know/understand they can be busy, but it would've been nicer if they kept us a bit more informed about these things. While I _totally_ agree that clear and frequent communication is a major "good thing" in general, and about Rosetta in particular, and while it would have been nice to have 'we will do x, y, and z' two weeks ago, there is one thing that to me is MORE important than "getting it fast". That is "getting it right". I have wasted 5K+ credits on a "startup project" that had frequent communication and, while obviously understaffed and underfunded, looked like it was going to be fun to be part of. A bad set of WUs went out, credit was given quickly, and the head of the project said "new motto - 'The project where credits are never lost'." A second set of bad WUs went out, the head of the project said "I'll grant credits on these; I'm busy this week, but next week for sure." This continued for MONTHS. Then the results were deleted, and no credit was ever given, and zero response _yet_ in the threads asking about it. Add in other major problems and delays, and a project that started before Rosetta and was growing quite nicely, is now basically dead. Do I care about the handful of credits I lost? No. I care about the fact that I was lied to. Looking at the structure of the BOINC databases, and what information is readily available, and having a background in database programming, I can see "what is easy to do" and "what is hard to do" fairly well. Grant credit for errored results still in the database, based on run time less than 2 minutes? No problem at all. Grant credit for WUs named "default_xxxx_205"? Eh, a little more complicated, but not bad. Grant credit for "maximum cpu time exceeded"? Uh... ouch. I wouldn't want to do it in SQL, I'd have to go to a higher-level language like Powerhouse for that one. And then to add in the fact that the earliest results were 'gone' from the database and only available on backups even before the staff _could_ do anything... I can see where it is much easier to deal with it "all in one place", even if that's an archive, rather than having to run everything twice, while making sure you don't grant credit on the same WU more than once. I am very happy to hear that credit will be given - but I am MUCH happier to see that the staff just didn't say "oh, sure, no problem" before they KNEW if there was a problem or not. I would much rather they take the time to look at the situation, figure out _how_ it can be solved, and even _if_ it can be solved, and THEN tell us either "okay, we'll do that" - or "we'd like to, but we can't, and here's why". 
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Grutte Pier [Wa Oars]~MAB The Frisian Send message Joined: 6 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 497,588 RAC: 0 |
I know/understand ......................the reasons to chose this project. I can only agree with that. But to me, and I assume to others as well, it (the "Technical News" statement) looked like that was all they were going to do (rather incomplete) and that made me rather grumpy. As I stated before, it's not about the credits I've lost, they can devide them between the last on the list as far as I'm concerned, but the lack of information etc. on that moment. |
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